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Post by KATE on Apr 20, 2011 18:50:08 GMT -8
Warning: Mockingjay Spoilers (duh).
So did you think the ending was too sappy? Just right? Too much death?
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Post by vividlyvisceral on May 1, 2011 21:00:41 GMT -8
Thrown together. I say this a lot, but it really was. SuCo did things that were obviously in a sort of 'Take that readers, this is how war is-!' by killing Finnick/Prim and destroying Gale and Katniss' friendship, but she also did too much to please the readers by having Peeta cure himself too easily.
I know a thing or two about the mental state of post-torture victims, and they take years, years to get back on their feet. Even with futuristic technology, Peeta should have a bit more after-effects than just 'gripping the chair' now and then.
Overall she tried too hard to tie it up in a bloody but neat little bow. I would've preferred something a bit more open ended- which is how real rebellions are. You don't know if it's going to be stable or that it's going to work out perfectly. That's how life is.
Then again, this is a book for children (...sort of.) and that's the ending she saw to.
.../would've done it a lot gorier.
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Post by Peeta the Frosting Prince on May 2, 2011 11:35:06 GMT -8
Yeah this really, really got to me, I'll admit. I wanted to see Peeta's recovery, but even if he began to recover, it would forever linger. When you lose your mind...that part will always remain within you. I lost my mind (though not on the same level; he had it worse) and to the this day I have things that will trigger me, and cause flashbacks to occur, and that was three years ago.
I want to see them grow together, I want to see when he first decided to kiss her again. How she felt about that, how he felt about it, beyond just the "hunger on the beach" thing. Because (and I know some will not agree with me) right before the real/not real thing, they had sex for the first time. And you don't jump from kissing for the first time in forever like Katniss and Peeta would have done, to hopping in bed with them.
Also, I hated that Gale was thrown under the bus.
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Post by Rowena on May 2, 2011 12:46:32 GMT -8
I agree with both Vivid and Leah. I didn't like the goriness of the ending, personally, but I see it's necessity. (Even Prim's death was necessary, I don't care how much you didn't like it.) I also think Peeta's recovery was way to fast, and I hated that while SuCo went to so much trouble to show us how Peeta and Katniss ended up, with the kids and all (which I still don't think Katniss would have agreed to, but whatever), Gale wasn't even mentioned in the epilogue. Like, I could be okay with the ending of the book (and Leah, I interperted that as them having sex too), although I hated how Katniss treated Gale, but the point of an epilogue to me is to show what happened to all of the characters. I wanted to know what happened to Gale and Johanna, and how Annie handled raising Finnick's child alone. But while the things that should be left more open-ended aren't, what happens to every other character besides Katniss and Peeta is left in the dark.
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Post by lostliveson4eva on May 2, 2011 13:53:07 GMT -8
Peeta the Frosting Prince, I agree about the Gale under the bus. That might be the main reason I hate Mockingjay.
I also think it felt a little rushed. Is that just me? I mean, one moment she was on her way to kill Snow, then she sees Prim blow up, and when she wakes up, Snows already captured. I wanted to see them capture him! Same with when they were rescuing Peeta. That went by easily and a little too quickly.
And the whole biginning bored me. I wish she would have added a huge battle to it with one-on-one fighting like in Harry Potter. That would have made it more interesting.
Over all, I didn't like the book at all.
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Post by Aanaleigh on May 2, 2011 17:08:42 GMT -8
I wanted to know what happened to Gale and Johanna, and how Annie handled raising Finnick's child alone. But while the things that should be left more open-ended aren't, what happens to every other character besides Katniss and Peeta is left in the dark. I agree. I was more interested in what happened to the other characters. I also disliked the ending. Peeta recovered far too fast. And I agree with Vivid on the gory part. |
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Post by vividlyvisceral on May 2, 2011 19:56:38 GMT -8
Lost I felt the same way you did. It did feel rushed. Badly rushed. The entire rebellion was written poorly- and if the Capitol really is as far ahead as it seems it should've had more defensive missiles and such. To everything seemed to conveniently in the rebel's favor.
+lol at Gale 'under a bus'. That's exactly what happened!
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Post by Peeta the Frosting Prince on May 4, 2011 8:03:47 GMT -8
I understood why the beginning was the way it was. Katniss is a broken girl. However, I don't like the loose ends--there were too many of them. I want to know what happened to Annie and the baby, and Gale and Johanna and how Katniss's mother is doing--did she fall back into her depression? Maybe, maybe not. We don't know.
While I don't want the entire thing spelled out for me, at the same time there are things that could have been wrapped up.
Considering the amount of time that had passed when she started having kids, I could see her being worn down a bit by Peeta's convincing. xD
Also...how on Earth did she keep from having kids for so long anyway? Like, awkwardsauce subject time, but as a writer I do sit here and mull over contraceptives in Panem. There isn't exactly a place for that in the book, of course, but I assumed with a lot of the large families in the Seam that it wasn't something really available and why am I still talking about this?
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Post by Rowena on May 6, 2011 12:57:27 GMT -8
It's cool, Leah, I think about stuff like that too sometimes  See, my issue with the kids was that it was so fundamentally a part of Katniss's character that she didn't want to have children. Even though it was now "safe" to do so, I still don't think she would have, as that's always been her belief. Also, just the way it was written (because of the brevity of the epilogue), I felt like Peeta was begging and bothering her about having them, and she finally gave in, not like it was a mutual decision and she was willing to give it a go because he really wanted kids, but she was still nervous. I just never got the impression that she wanted the kids. But maybe that's just me. |
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Post by Peeta the Frosting Prince on May 6, 2011 16:51:06 GMT -8
Yeah, I'll agree the way it was written didn't give the greatest impression. I could see, over time, him eventually gently convincing her it would be okay. But then when she got pregnant she'd like throw everything in the house at him with the force of her rage and hormones. XD
She always had that wall up, against contact and I imagine after those years, Peeta was able to break it down. And then what would she be like? We never saw.
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Post by Rowena on May 7, 2011 13:18:21 GMT -8
Because we never saw the wall being broken down/how Katniss was like after that, I just couldn't believe it, y'know?
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Post by Peeta the Frosting Prince on May 8, 2011 6:53:45 GMT -8
Yeah, I understand. SuCo just did a big info dump as an epilogue, pretty much, and expected her readers to take it on faith. D8
I would have liked to see Katniss change over time. At least a little.
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Post by vividlyvisceral on May 13, 2011 19:10:00 GMT -8
I would've liked to see her become a better person than she was- willing to actually give a shit about what happens around her, but by the "info dump" at the end I had lost that hope. Katniss was remarkably self-involved for a book about a rebellion and her entire country changing. Almost frighteningly so. I've begun to think that Katniss has some sort of mental disorder we haven't focused on too well.
Whoah, pregnant Katniss. What a startling image that is!
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Post by Peeta the Frosting Prince on May 14, 2011 10:16:27 GMT -8
She absolutely has a severe case of PTSD. That was evident in Catching Fire and obviously got worse in MJ.
I have a mild form of it myself, so I understand a little.
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Post by maxrider12 on Jun 23, 2011 13:34:22 GMT -8
I wanted a more ambiguous ending, to be honest. I know some people hate that, but I love it. It allows me to work off of it, create a fic in my subconcious mind. The epilogue wasn't quite A-B-C-it's done, but it wasn't ambiguous either, and that in-between makes for a bad ending.
I wish that SuCo had had more time to write MJ and CF, so the overall ending would have been better. It left us with nothing to work with. It didn't even say the names of their children.
By the way, Katniss Mellark sounds awful. And now there's no one left to carry on the Everdeen name.
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